Aptavani-9
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between ‘this is for the worldly life and this is beneficial for
spiritual progress towards liberation’, is it not?
Dadashri: That is called awareness. But that kind of
awareness will not prevail at all. It is only in the absence of
awareness that deceit (kapat) takes over. Nevertheless, the
deeply ingrained old habit (latta) has to be fractured, does it
not? The habit! The latta (habitual compulsion) to enjoy worldly
pleasures!
Questioner: Does one not need to turn that habit
around? How can this habit be broken?
Dadashri: The compulsive habit (latta) is there for sure.
Now one needs to get rid of it; settle with it.
Questioner: How?
Dadashri: That habit will begin to leave the moment you
decide and say, ‘I do not need anything. I have all the happiness
I need.’ That latta will change the moment you decide, ‘I do not
want anything’.
Questioner: What all is included in relative worldly
benefits?
Dadashri: Everything! One meddles (behaves as
Chandulal) when he is sitting in a train; he meddles when he is
sitting in a bus. Everywhere you look, he is meddling.
Questioner: What kinds of situations are applicable there
for the mahatmas who have taken Gnan?
Dadashri: Every situation. It is exactly the same situation
he has come from (from past life). Everything (karma bondage)
has become solid and that is exactly what is bearing fruits
(effect) right now. If you remain in your jagruti and do not
‘taste’ these fruits or even if you ‘taste’ them but remain
separate as the Self from the non-Self (Chandulal), then you
have succeeded. Those fruits are sweet, are they not? That is