Aptavani-8 3
Now , if a person comes to know that Atma from the Gnani Purush , he will attain the Atma ; otherwise , it is not possible to attain the Atma in any time period . The Gnani Purush has seen , known and experienced the Atma , and himself lives in the Atma ’ s own natural state ( swaroop )! So if you yourself know the Atma through such a Gnani Purush , you will get somewhere . When you sit with the Gnani Purush to know such an Atma , through the Gnan Vidhi ( samayik ) of the Gnani Purush , all your demerit karmas ( paap ) are burnt to ashes . And only when your demerit karmas are destroyed , will the Atma come into your awareness ( laksha ); otherwise it will not !
That awareness will be there forever ; whereas nothing else in the world can be remembered forever , perhaps it will be remembered for a while , but will soon be forgotten . Here , your demerit karmas ( paap ) are cleansed by the Gnani Purush , so you attain the awareness of the Atma !
Who Has Doubts About the Existence of the Soul ?
Questioner : ‘ Is there an Atma or not ?’ Such doubts do arise . Dadashri : The Atma definitely does exist !
Questioner : The foreign scientists have done all kinds of research to determine whether or not there is an Atma , by putting a dying man in a glass case , to see if they could figure out how and from where , the soul ( jiva ; living being ) leaves the body . It did not seem that way to them . Their conclusion was that there is no such thing as soul ( jiva ) at all .
Dadashri : No . But do they not make statements like , ‘ this is non-living ’ ( ajiva )? Is this table non-living or not ? It is non-living , right ? So then , are the table and the man the same thing ?