doesn’t sound amazing, and there is no way
you can fix it, and the Holy Spirit doesn’t care,
He shows up anyway. I think we’re using what
we have to right now and I’ve seen it work
effectively. I’ve also been kicked off Zoom
meetings. (laughs) I’ve been in the middle of
singing and the whole thing froze. All of that’s
happened too, but our church has found that
our weekly reach has just about tripled just
through digital outreach.
impact worship leaders, and then extend to,
worshiping congregations?
you and I have to care about God.
[WM] The subject matter that you cover is
broad and quite remarkable. When Jesus met
the Samaritan woman at the well, He told her
that Samaritans did not know what and who
they were worshiping. I sometimes wonder if
that same comment applies to many church
worship leaders. That’s why this video series is
so helpful.
[WM] In my recent interview with Mike
Pilavachi (May 2020), Mike mentioned that
he and his pastors were calling every church
member weekly, just to keep connection
happening.
[Zach] Actually we’ve done that as well, we
have weekly texts and we have weekly phone
calls. Every pastor involved here at the church,
we’re making sure every person in our church
gets contact. We’re also making sure that
anyone who comes to us with any physical
need, financial need, any kind of prayer need,
we’re meeting those as quickly as we can,
and we’ve managed to reach the circle of our
church, which is enormous. So now we’re
having people who heard we are helping and
we are getting floods of people from outside
of our congregation. And the pastors have
decided that the Lord has really blessed our
church and so we have a lot of resources. So,
when this whole thing started, and when people
started losing their jobs and not being able to
go out anymore, and not being able to afford
Covid testing and their fear elevated… He said
open the store now, we’re going to help people.
So he gave us all permission to use our credit
cards and gave us dollar amounts, which were
very generous. We’ve just been so impressed
that the church that’s known for the Word and
for the worship, can also care for the actual
needs of the people in its congregation and the
people outside of its congregation. I just have
fallen in love with our church again.
[WM] Zach, you have great enthusiasm in
your teaching, which I very much admire. How
do you hope your book and video series will
[Zach] You’ve probably experienced this,
if you come out onto a platform and you are
visibly anxious or nervous, that’s contagious.
People are more concerned with your nerves
than what you are trying to say or communicate.
Well, the opposite is true, if you carry genuine
passion. I think it was D. L. Moody who used
to say that his entire ministry was to step out
onto the platform and let God light him on fire
so that people could watch him burn. If I burn
for something, and I’m sincere about it and that
thing is true, its very difficult for someone else
not to be lit by that, it’s very difficult. If you care
about the Jesus that I care about, you’re going
to get sparked, something is going to happen.
I feel like, in fact, I think I mentioned this in
Revelation 3. We’re talking about the church of
Laodicea. That’s the seventh church that Jesus
talks to. And if we’re in the seventh age of the
church, the telltale sign of that age is that they’ve
lost a passion, they are neither hot nor cold.
And that speaks the world about our obsession
for God and about whether or not He’s worth
having affection for. If I’m lukewarm then I’ve
got a God who is only worthy of lukewarm
interest. I don’t want them to see that, I want
them to see that I’ve got a God that’s worthy
of burning for. I believe that if we can figure this
out, if we can submit ourselves to burn for the
thing that He burns for. I don’t know if this is
the last age of the church, but I want to see
the glory of the Lord cover the earth like the
water. I want to see the Lord enthroned in our
nations. I want to see salvation cover the earth.
I want every tribe and every tongue to have the
opportunity to hear and to receive the gospel of
Jesus Christ. If any of that’s going to happen,
[Zach] That’s not a question, you’ve summed
it all up! (laughs) One of my roles at Gateway is
pastor of worship development, and the entire
point of the role was that when I first came
on the worship team they didn’t understand
worship. There were twelve people on a team,
you could ask them, “What is worship?” and
you wouldn’t get the same answer from any
of them. The idea was, how do we develop
the process and people to be able to have
that understanding in the ministry of the
congregation, so they are not receivers of the
ministry, they become ministers. So, we started
with these three c’s, core, character, and craft,
and we put together a series of teaching and
mentoring for the worship first. The core was
the theological belief, because they didn’t know
what they were doing, and they barely knew
enough about God to figure out what they
were doing, which is exactly what you’re talking
about. Your core, which is your theology and
understanding, informs your character, your
heart. Then those things, your theology, your
heart, and your character, are what permits you
to utilize your craft as a minister. So we trained
core, character, craft, because what you’re
saying is exactly the problem, we’re not just
Biblically illiterate… we’re illiterate of our own
Savior.
[WM] Thank you Zach for this wonderful time.
[Zach] You are welcome. What a pleasure for
me to visit with you!
26 August 2020
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