The Guru and the Disciple
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Dadashri: If you find a satguru, there is nothing better,
but if you do not find a satguru then you should at least have a
guru. A Bheda-Vignani is a spiritual scientist that has the
experiential knowledge that keeps the Self and the non-Self
separate, is a satguru.
Questioner: So do we need a guru first or a satguru?
Dadashri: If there is a guru, only then can one get on the
path! However, if you find a satguru then you will attain salvation
(liberation).Then it is immaterial whether you find a guru or not
because the satguru will give everyone salvation. If you find a
guru, and follow his instructions, it will not take you long because
you will have fewer negative qualities. But should you be graced
by the touch of the satguru’s hand, you will attain salvation.
Questioner: Are there people who have really attained
the sat, the eternal, the Self?
Dadashri: There cannot be any. In this era of the current
time cycle, such people are very rare; they may be in some place,
somewhere. Otherwise, they do not exist. Where would you find
such a person? If there were to be such a person, would this
world not have blossomed? Would there not be Light everywhere?
Questioner: Then how can one escape the cycles of birth
and death without a satguru?
Dadashri: Yes, it is because there is no satguru around
that all this has come to a halt! There is no meaningful progress.
Questioner: What is Shrimad saying when he says to
surrender and follow a satguru so that one will attain moksha in
the ninth life?
Dadashri: It is difficult to find a satguru. That satguru
would be difficult to find here. It is not easy to find a satguru. The
satguru is a Gnani. You can have a guru, who is not a Gnani, but
he does not have the necessary understanding, whereas the Gnani