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The Guru and the Disciple 43 Dadashri: If you find a satguru, there is nothing better, but if you do not find a satguru then you should at least have a guru. A Bheda-Vignani is a spiritual scientist that has the experiential knowledge that keeps the Self and the non-Self separate, is a satguru. Questioner: So do we need a guru first or a satguru? Dadashri: If there is a guru, only then can one get on the path! However, if you find a satguru then you will attain salvation (liberation).Then it is immaterial whether you find a guru or not because the satguru will give everyone salvation. If you find a guru, and follow his instructions, it will not take you long because you will have fewer negative qualities. But should you be graced by the touch of the satguru’s hand, you will attain salvation. Questioner: Are there people who have really attained the sat, the eternal, the Self? Dadashri: There cannot be any. In this era of the current time cycle, such people are very rare; they may be in some place, somewhere. Otherwise, they do not exist. Where would you find such a person? If there were to be such a person, would this world not have blossomed? Would there not be Light everywhere? Questioner: Then how can one escape the cycles of birth and death without a satguru? Dadashri: Yes, it is because there is no satguru around that all this has come to a halt! There is no meaningful progress. Questioner: What is Shrimad saying when he says to surrender and follow a satguru so that one will attain moksha in the ninth life? Dadashri: It is difficult to find a satguru. That satguru would be difficult to find here. It is not easy to find a satguru. The satguru is a Gnani. You can have a guru, who is not a Gnani, but he does not have the necessary understanding, whereas the Gnani