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is not the abuser, he is a Shuddhatma.’
The One who knows, ‘This is not ‘I’, this is ‘I”, is the
Self. There should be awareness of, ‘This is ‘I’ and not this.’
Questioner: In which instances, is ‘potey’ (the Self) in
and in which instances is ‘potey’ not? What does ‘one’ ‘see’ in
it?
Dadashri: In all aspects. When ‘We’ give you Gnan,
‘We’ give you Gnan of what you are and what you are not.
Questioner: That separation that occurred within; you
called it the Soul!
Dadashri: That is it! That is the Atma - the Self.
Questioner: Now that state should remain constantly,
should it not?
Dadashri: One should not forget to apply the awareness
(laksha) to maintain the separation. Then later, continue to ‘do’
the same, again and again. Then one becomes the Self. When
you fasten the buttons on your shirt, you instinctively know that
the shirt can be removed; you have the knowledge ‘this part is
the shirt’ and ‘this part is me’, do you not? Or does it all appear
to be the same?
Questioner: No, one knows very well the separation
there. But the phases (avastha) of the mind, body and speech
arise and change constantly. So is it not here that an
uninterrupted awareness is called for, awareness of ‘this is I and
all this is not I’?
Dadashri: It is not all that complex and involved. In
certain circumstances there are instances where one has an
‘interest’ in it and that is when he has to say, ‘This is not mine.’
Otherwise, after Gnan, one has indeed been separated and
remains separate as the Self. Then later there is some
interference and mixing.