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to the worldly life is it not? Should we not recognize whether it
has spiritual or worldly implications?
Dadashri: It is always worldly; it is never for the Self, is
it? It is always related to the pudgal the non-Self. It is only
when that (the importance of the non-Self) moves aside that one
can attain the Self.
Questioner: One will not be victim of his craftiness and
cleverness (chaturai) if he understands whether it is beneficial
or harmful to him.
Dadashri: One does understand what is beneficial and
what is harmful but he does not understand whether craftiness
and cleverness (chaturai) is present or not. He is not able to
know because to begin with, he has the habit of ‘tasting
sweetness’. The minute someone calls out to him, ‘welcome!
Welcome’, he loses all awareness. No matter how much you tell
‘us’, ‘welcome…welcome!’ ‘we’ will not become a victim of
this deceit (kapat).
Questioner: There is no worry if there is a nischaya
(strong decision) for moksha! Then his words will not affect or
touch us!
Dadashri: The nischaya for moksha is there for sure, but
there is a lot of interference (dakhal – interference of becoming
‘Chandulal’) in between also, is there not? ‘Keval nij swabhav
nu akhand varte Gnan – Only a continuous awareness as the
Self prevails.’ The nischaya is there for sure, but will it not have
to prevail continuously? Moksha prevails, but it will have to
prevail constantly, without interruption, will it not? Interruptions
will not do.
Questioner: But whether something is beneficial or
harmful, after all it falls in the worldly department - the relative
department; does it not?
Dadashri: Yes, but it is verily the worldly things that one