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will go away when the value of the two is made equal. When he
comes to know and experience that there is no pleasure in either
of them, then it will go way.
People do not understand garavata.
Questioner: But for those who have taken this Gnan is
there any other solution to get out of garavata?
Dadashri: But who comes under the effect of garavata
‘Chandulal’ or the ‘Shuddhatma’? If the effect of garavata
remains, then he is ‘Chandulal’ and if not, then he has become
‘Shuddhatma’.
Questioner: But Dada we have come here to do Dada’s
darshan, we want to sit with Dada, we have interest in that too,
is that also not garavata?
Dadashri: No. That is not garavata. How can you call
it garavata? This is the main thing. This is like nectar. ‘We’ do
not have any garavata. ‘We’ do not have ras-garavata, ‘We’
do not have riddhi-garavata or siddhi-garavata; no form of
garavata whatsoever. The whole world is rotting in garavata.
The Gnani is never in garavata.
Attain Liberation with help of the Gnani.
God is very pleased with ‘us’. What kind of attributes
does a Gnani with whom God is pleased, have? He does not
have garva (doer-ship), he does not have garavata (any
worldly indulgence); he is nispruha (no inner inclinations) and
no unmattata (smugness).
Questioner: All these things go away when one becomes
highly spiritually elevated, do they not?
Dadashri: No. But one is considered a Gnani only when
all these kashaya go away. After they go away, ‘we’ say ‘It (the
Gnani’s speech) is a ‘taped record’ that is speaking.’ Nobody
in the world says, ‘It is a taped record’ (about their speech). If