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being bound, and you end up wandering around in the four
realms of existence (gati). When you understand everything from
the Gnani Purush, the relentless wanderings will come to an
end.
In Whom Does the Impurity Arise?
Questioner: Why would impure phases (ashuddha
paryaya) arise from the Atma, in spite of how cautious one is?
Dadashri: But how does this benefit you?
Questioner: Do we not bind karma?
Dadashri: If the impure phases (ashuddha paryaya) arise
out of you, then of course you would bind karma! They do not
come from the Atma at all. There are no impure phases in the
Atma whatsoever. So if you want to understand what exactly it
is, then these impure phases (ashuddha paryaya) and pure
phases (shuddha paryaya) all arise within you.
I will tell you the principle truth. There are two kinds of
atma: one is the original (muda) Atma, and through this main
Atma, a second one has come about; the atma that is interactive
in the world (vyavahar atma). The fundamental Atma is the
Self (nischay Atma) and it has not changed at all. It is exactly
as it has always been, and from it, the atma that is interactive
in the world (vyavahar atma) has been created. Just as if you
look in the mirror, would you not see two Chandubhai?
Questioner: Yes, we would see two.
Dadashri: In the same way, the atma that interacts in the
world (vyavahar atma) has come about. ‘We’ call it pratishthit
atma. One has done one’s own instilling of life (pratishtha) in
it. Therefore, if you still keep doing the instilling (pratishtha) of
‘I am Chandubhai, I am Chandubhai,’ then you will create a new
pratishthit atma for the next life. If you believe this worldly
interaction (vyavahar) to be true, then a new atma that interacts