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that you are talking about are all temporary attributes; they are
relative attributes, and relative attributes belong to the relative-
atma. At the moment, what you consider to be your own Atma,
is really the relative-atma, and the real Atma is inside of that.
When you have the realization of that real Soul (Atma), is when
you can get your work accomplished. Do they not talk about
realizing the Self? You have heard the word Self-realization,
have you not?
Questioner: Yes.
Dadashri: You can realize the Self, when you have the
realization of the real Atma, the Self!
The Atma the World Understands
Have you ever seen chetan (Atma) in this world?
Questioner: All this that we see, is chetan.
Dadashri: No. You cannot see chetan with your eyes,
you cannot hear it with your ears, nor can you taste with your
tongue. Chetan is not something you will ever be able to
experience through your five senses. The world has never seen
chetan (the Self); nor has it ever heard it, and it has never come
in the conviction and faith. That which people refer to as chetan,
is in fact, mechanical chetan, which they are calling chetan
(Atma)! The mechanical chetan is the one that eats, drinks and
breathes. How long would this chetan last if you pinched your
nose and stopped breathing?
Questioner: A quarter of an hour.
Dadashri: So then, it cannot be chetan (Soul). This is
the chetan’s mayavi shakti (illusory energy), which has arisen.
The chetan has been touched (sparsha) by the Atma within,
and thus it appears in the form of chetan, but in truth, that is not
chetan. It is an illusory chetan.
That, which the world considers to be chetan, is the chetan