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longer it stretches. However, if You keep ‘seeing’ as the pure
Self then, no matter how many veils there are, it will go away
in no time. It will be settled, but if you stick your hand in it you
will create unnecessary problems.
The Unfolding of Pain Karmas and the Gnani
Questioner: When the Vitarag Purush (Gnani Purush)
has to endure any physical suffering, for example when your hip
fractured, how did You remain free from that circumstance?
Surely the pain would be the same as what anyone else would
experience?
Dadashri: ‘We’ have destroyed all documents of
‘ownership’. ‘We’ have destroyed the document, ‘this is my
mind, this is my intellect, this is my speech, etc.’ ‘We’ have
destroyed all such documents. The Vitarag refers to His
speech, as ‘the original taped record playing’.
‘We’ have even destroyed the document that says, ‘this
is my body’; hence ‘we’ call it a ‘Public Trust’. So, when ‘we’
have a toothache there is the effect of pain but ‘we’ remain the
Knower of that pain; ‘we’ do not become the ‘sufferer’ of that
pain. ‘We’ are not affected whenever someone insults ‘us’ or
curses ‘us’ or whenever there is a financial loss. There is no
effect whatsoever of that which occurs in and to the mind. Any
physical ailment will have its effect according to its nature but
‘we’ remain its Knower and Seer and therefore pain does not
touch ‘us’.
Questioner: Is that just stillness of the Vitarag Purush
or is it stillness that comes from becoming engrossed in it?
Dadashri: ‘We’ never become engrossed in anything.
Even with this body ‘our’ relationship with it is like that of a
neighbor, and so if something happens to it, it will not touch ‘us’.
‘Our’ mind is nothing like it. What is it like? It keeps moving
every second; it does not get stuck in one place.