14 Aptavani-5
worldly life interactions will be pure ( shuddha ) and your nischay ( firm decision ) is pure . All other liabilities are mine !’ You should experience freedom here and now , in this very life . If You do not , then it is not real moksha . If You do not experience moksha after meeting me , then I am not a real Gnani and the moksha I give is not real either . You must feel liberated here , in this fifth Ara ( the current portion of the time cycle , also known as Kaliyug or dushamkaal ). You must experience liberation here and now , whatever your vocation or appearance . What assurance do you have that you will experience liberation over there ( after death )?
Questioner : Does the Self have different types ? Dadashri : No , the Self is only of one type .
Questioner : Does the Self experience attachment and abhorrence ( raag and dwesh )?
Dadashri : No . It does not experience attachment or abhorrence ; this is a vibhav that has arisen . Vibhav means an attribute that is not of the Self . The Self is by nature vitarag ( freedom from attachment and abhorrence ). It does not have an iota of attachment or abhorrence . It appears otherwise due to illusion ( bhranti ).
Questioner : Is it true that causes ( karma bondage ) are created due to the effect on the Self , from problems that are inherent in the cycles of birth and death ?
Dadashri : No . There is no effect on the Self at all . The nature of the Self does not change at all . It only attains the wrong belief .
Questioner : How did the wrong belief set in ?
Dadashri : It sets in due to one not having the awareness of the Self ; therefore he accepts whatever knowledge others give him , and it fits in his understanding . So based on what