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person would be able to hear. So tell me now, who does the
listening?
Questioner: One hears through the ears but only if the
living element (Chetan tattva, the Soul, the Self) is present.
Dadashri: The living element never listens to anything at
any time at all. It is the Knower-Seer (Gnata-Drashta) and It
is in permanent bliss (parmanand). The Self is infinite knowledge
(anant gnan), infinite vision (anant darshan), infinite energy
(anant shakti) and infinite conduct (anant charitra). So then
do you believe that hearing is an attribute of the Soul?
The Soul does not listen at all. Listening is not its attribute
at all. Just as ‘to rust’ is not one of the attributes of gold, hearing
is not the attribute of the Soul. Speaking is not its attribute either.
Questioner: But the ears can only hear if the Soul
(chaitanya tattva) is present, is that not so?
Dadashri: The existence and interaction of the whole
world is based on the presence of the Self. The body will not
live without the Soul, but it is not the Soul that does the listening.
Questioner: Then please explain who does the listening?
Dadashri: Will you not have to understand this? When a
person says that his Soul hears then it can also be said that the
Soul speaks. One may say anything as far as the worldly
(laukik) language is concerned, however, it will not be
acceptable in the Lord’s alaukik (not of the world, spiritual)
language (the Lord here is Lord Mahavir).
In this conversation with you, who is speaking right now?
Questioner: You are.
Dadashri: If ‘Dada Bhagwan’ (the manifest Lord within
the physical body of the Gnani Purush A. M. Patel) speaks,
then Dada’s value is the same as this two thousand rupee tape