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Aptavani - 5
The Self and the Religion of the Self
Dadashri: What does the Soul (the Atma) do?
Questioner: The Soul is the Knower-Seer (Gnata-
Drashta).
Dadashri: But you say, ‘I am listening’. Are you the Soul
(Self) or the listener?
Questioner: I am the Soul.
Dadashri: But the Soul cannot hear; only ears can hear,
right?
Questioner: Is it not the association of the Soul and the
physical body (pudgal)?
Dadashri: But who does the hearing, the Soul or the
ears?
Questioner: The Soul is the one doing the hearing; the
ears are inanimate (jada).
Dadashri: Then why not ask a deaf person? Is the Soul
not present in a deaf person too? Then who hears?
Questioner: Without the presence of the Soul, none of
the sense organs can function.
Dadashri: There is life in one because of the presence of
the Soul, but who does the listening, the Soul or the ears?
Indeed, if the Soul were the one listening, then even a deaf