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Aptavani-2
proximity of the Self and therefore it is amenable to explanations
and internal conversations. If you speak with this tape recorder
(inanimate object) or shout at it, is it going to understand?
Although people have not realized the Self, their life does
go on does it not? That is because the prakruti is a mixture of
the Self and matter (mishrachetan). Do some people who are
very street-smart not get ripped off, sometimes? Why is that? It
is because of the prakruti; it takes someone who knows how to
reason with the prakruti.
Questioner : Sometimes, it does not work despite
reasoning with them.
Dadashri : That means one does not know how to make
them understand.
Questioner : Many times, despite reasoning with the
prakruti, it does not come around and so I have to reprimand
it. For example, the doctor has told me to eat only two puris
(fried bread) but when they serve mango pulp with puris, the
prakruti will want to eat three puris. At such a time it will not
listen if I try to reason with it, and so I have to scold it. I cannot
sweet-talk with it at that time; I have to be firm with it.
Dadashri : It is like this, the best approach is to explain
things to it, but if that does not work, then you can reprimand
it; but that is the second step. It is fine in matters of the body
but where the mind is concerned, it is not good to reprimand it.
The body is inanimate so there is no problem there, but where
the mind is concerned, you have to reason with it. It is also
better to reason with the body if you know how. The body too
listens to us.
Questioner : The more prakruti becomes natural the
more easily it will agree and listen, is that so Dada?
Dadashri : Yes that is true. What do all these parmanus
say? They are associated with the properties of the Self and so