JONATHAN DAVID HELSER
really cared for us and for our family . We ' ve got four kids . We had the privilege of being under Lee Cummings and his wife , Jane Cummings , and they were just incredible leaders . It was an amazing place , and it was really good for our hearts and our family . But now , like I said , we are in Nashville , Tennessee .
[ WM ] And Jonathan , can you tell us about your work alongside your wife Melissa , in establishing the Cageless Birds Collective ? You ’ re based in North Carolina , correct ?
[ Jonathan David Helser ] Yeah . So , we ' re right in the middle of our 14 years of doing this discipleship school called the 18 Inch Journey . And that ' s a fun way to talk about the journey from our head to our heart . So more than it being a worship school or a ministry school , it really is a school for the heart . Anyone from ages to 20 to 30 years old , to have a few months out of the busyness and the noise of the world , to take a few months to really dig into their heart , to discover identity and who they are as sons and daughters of God . Yes , we ' re right in the middle of that now . We have 90 staffing students living on our land and the Cageless Birds is the creative arts expression of the school . We do everything here from roasted coffee , handmade leather goods , pottery , and devotional books . We ' ve written music , and the creativity fuels the discipleship . And within the discipleship school , all those guys actually use the arts , as in discipleship . So , there ' s students in the pottery studio , leather studio , and then we also sell those goods to support what we ' re doing here .
[ WM ] And the sales are online as well ?
[ WM ] The craft of songwriting includes many constraints and disciplines , and music for the church often includes even additional