reformed monk named Brother Roger , who founded a community in France called Taize . And it was an ecumenical community started in the middle of the second world war , devoted to peacemaking and reconciliation and prayer . In particular , their style of prayer , in some ways , is a precursor to modern worship music , because it ' s just simple scriptures being sung over and over again .
But there was a quote that he said where he talked about , in the early 80s , of having reconciled the faith of his childhood , or the faith of his origins with that of the Catholic church , without breaking fellowship with anyone . And that phrase in particular , has haunted me for the better part of 20 years . Almost 20 years since I read that phrase .
It has haunted me because it proposes something that runs totally counter to even the established understanding of ecclesiology and evangelism in the church . Everyone I know has a conversion and breaks ties with where they come from . And I think following Jesus , to some extent , demands that . But then once you get within the small church even , people say , " Well I grew up this , but now I ' m this ." And the idea that he proposed was this idea of I ' m on a journey with Christ and Christ led me to this other place , but I didn ' t break fellowship with where I came from . Like I said , from an ecclesial standpoint , it is very challenging .
And so all that to say , my wife ' s a Protestant . I ' m a Catholic . We ' re trying to live out this prayer that Jesus prays in John ' s gospel for his believers to be one . And I think it ' s what he says , " So that the world may believe ."
So to me , trying to be part of moments in time and events that just say we agree with those words that Jesus himself says , would be amazing .
[ WM ] Lastly , your black Martin D14 with the white pickguard is just beautiful . Is there anything that you would like to say about it ?
[ Matt ] It ' s a custom Martin . They came out with a smaller model , a OO17 , with this new color called black smoke . And it had white pick guards and white tuners , and I immediately fell in love with it when I saw it . And I got that and ended up actually selling that guitar to another friend . And so , I got connected with some of the folks at the Martin custom shop . Really amazing people . And honestly , what I would say , If you want a guitar and you can afford one , buy one from them . Because I met all the people who work in that shop , and they ' ve all just made a living by making guitars . It ' s a dying art .
So I basically went to them with this idea and said , " Hey , you have this other model that ' s a smaller bodied guitar . What if we took the exact same specs but put it on a dreadnought ?" And so , they ' re like , " Well the body that we could use would be a D-14 ." I actually wanted it to be a D-16 . But the body that they had was a D-14 . So , we did it . When I made my Christmas