490 Pratikraman
from the relative ?
Dadashri : It comes from the real . It is the energy arising from the real . There are two kinds of energies . One arising from the real is pragnya . And that arising from the relative is called agnya . Agnya will not allow one to get out of the worldly life ( sansar ) and pragnya will not let You go until You attain moksha . During the time when the body is discarded and one ’ s moksha is ready , at that time pragnya shakti becomes one with the Self . It is not a separate energy .
Questioner : So then the ego comes under the relative , does it not ?
Dadashri : Everything goes only into the relative .
Questioner : Then , Dada , the real and the relative are separate so why did we have to be in the middle ? What is the need for us to do pratikraman ? Why do we have to interfere with the relative ?
Dadashri : There is no need to interfere with the relative . But when someone gets hurt , You have to tell ‘ Chandubhai ’ ( the relative self ), ‘ Why did you hurt him ? Now do pratikraman for that .’ That is it ; wash it off . Wash off the stain that occurs . You also have to keep the ‘ relative ’ cloth clean .
Questioner : Dada , the one causing the pain , is it the real that does it ?
Dadashri : The ‘ Real ’ does not do anything . Everything is in the ‘ relative plane .’ Even the pain is experienced by the relative ; it does not touch the real at all .
Who Experiences the Pain ?
Questioner : When the other person gets hurt , is it his ego that experiences the pain and hurt ?
Dadashri : Yes . It is the ego that experiences the pain ( dukh ).