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disruptive of the urban fabric in negative ways (as I distinguish analytically between diachronic your reference to rent and public transport implies), (historical) and synchronic (contemporary) I think it can also be disruptive in positive ways: implication, but I also suggest that these two forms I would not underestimate the impact of coming almost always appear together. To give an example across Stolpersteine [stumbling stones] dedicated to of what I mean: white people in former slave victims of the Nazis in the streets of European cities; owning and slave trading societies are diachronically I would be surprised if the historical consciousness implicated in slavery but the afterlives of slavery of many tourists had not been deepened by such have also perpetuated inequalities in the present that encounters. render those same people synchronically implicated. It’s difficult to untangle those two axes, but I think 3. You’ve recently published The implicated subject, in which you present a new figure that seeks to overcome the categories of victim, perpetrator and bystander in order to analyse political responsibilities. Would you care to elaborate on the concept of the implicated subject? it’s still worth making the analytical distinction for the purposes of conceptual clarity and in order to facilitate comparisons between different scenarios. Among the other issues I tackle in the book are what I call “complex implication,” which describes situations in which one may have strong ties to histories of victimization (what Marianne Hirsch calls “postmemory”) and still be implicated My new book arose from a sense that we have had in contemporary injustices. I explore complex an impoverished and non-systematic conceptual implication by discussing the work of Jewish artists vocabulary for addressing some key issues regarding who evoke memory of the Holocaust while exploring responsibility for violence and inequality. I believe implication in the Israeli occupation of Palestine and we have been too fixated on the binary opposition South African apartheid, respectively. Finally, I’m between victims and perpetrators in both scholarship interested in how artists, intellectuals, and activists and public discourse. I became interested in transform consciousness of their own implication figures who enable, inherit, benefit from, and help into acts of what I call “long-distance solidarity,” perpetuate violence and inequality without being forms of internationalist solidarity that cross lines of perpetrators in any moral or legal sense. In my identity, nation, and status. Long-distance solidarity opinion, the concept of the bystander is also too is a vexed and difficult form of affiliation, but I see weak to describe these kinds of issues because it the kinds of alliances it makes possible as necessary implies not only passivity but a certain innocence. to political transformation. My book is about people (most of us!) who are not guilty of crimes or “perpetrators” of exploitation, but remain historically and politically responsible in different ways for atrocities and inequalities both in the past and present. There has been important work in recent years on related issues such as complicity by scholars such as Mark Sanders, Christopher 4. Together with Yasemin Yildiz you are writing a book about how the population that has recently migrated to Germany perceives and relates to the Nazi history of the country and the Holocaust. Could you share with us some of the working conclusions of your study? Kutz, Naomi Mandel, and Debarati Sanyal, and on the figure of the beneficiary by scholars such as We started working on this project about a decade Mahmood Mamdani, Robert Meister, and Bruce ago when we noticed the emergence of a troubling Robbins, but I saw the need for an umbrella term discourse on immigrants—especially those from that would bring together different forms of what so-called Muslim countries like Turkey—and I call implication: our indirect entanglement in Holocaust memory. In a 2011 article called “Memory injustices. Citizenship,” we came to identify a “migrant double INTERVIEW 31