Musée Magazine Issue No. 13 - Women | Page 13

quality of things. We understand things through our experience, in ways we don’t always know how to trust. We have many brains. What I hope is that people will slow down enough and spend time amid the pieces, and that their relations are evocative enough that they carry away an experience that’s really of them. It might be provoked in relationship to the piece. People have asked me, “Am I supposed to get all the links between all these things?” I would say you get them, but you might not get them in an analytical way. Your body gets them. ANDREA: I’m thinking about your work at the Armory. I hadn’t noticed the birds until later. Can you tell me more about them? ANN: They’re homing pigeons, so they can always go home. That project started from me thinking of that space, the Park Avenue Armory, as a civic space. I started thinking in my associational path that I want to do something about the intimacy of reading New York City. Maybe one way to read the city is through the animals that have no weight and can occupy the air, traveling from here to there, which is actually how we think. So, they were read to everyday from concordant scrolls, and at the end of the day, they were released, and would fly to a cage where they ate and spent the night. There was a moment when they were free and suspended. The birds stand in for us. We use language to cross a space to communicate with another person, but that does not work with another species. How do we acknowledge another presence and communicate with it in another form? It’s about what we can say and it’s also about what we can’t say, or we can’t know. Sometimes the most compelling things to us are things we can never explain, and the piece is about trying to make a space for that. People stayed for a really long time; they lay under the cloth and took naps. It became a sort of an indoor park. To have an opportunity to work in a space like that, which is really different than a museum or an art gallery, was incredibly thrilling. would work with that digital, really low-resolution file and make prints. You can look at a historic photograph of a crowd where the figures are incredibly tiny, and this little camera finds these gestures and moments that you wouldn’t see otherwise. It’s almost like you’re caressing the photograph. I have thought about it in terms of the act of seeing and the act of touch. It was the same as putting the mechanism of sight in my mouth. It is still a process that I use. I’m working with early generation scanners that most people have thrown away. What I like about them is that they’re so imperfect. They have a really shallow depth of field, so they register contact. What’s interesting about working in this time is that the images that are made are a consequence of the crossing of analog and digital technologies. They’re all shifting very quickly and won’t be there in ten years. ANDREA: What did you use for your 2005 print stills? ANN: Those are made using that camera, but I’m actually looking at little tiny wooden sculptures in a history museum in Stockholm. They have all these carved panels from the churches around Sweden that have been collected in their medieval halls. These carved objects tell the story of the Bible. They are something that those people – who might not have been able to read at the time – can recognize. I became really interested in this and used my little camera to animate and coax these things to life. That sounds really corny. I took it as an act of ventriloquism. Again, it’s a relationship of near and far. As I put my camera near the carved opened mouths of one of the figures and then far away, it starts to reanimate. So, it returns this thing that is frozen in time to motion. That interest in live time, and motion, underlies many of my processes. From that, these stills are found. You could never intentionally compose those frames. ANDREA: I’d like to talk a little bit about the Cortlandt Street Station. When do you think that will be finished? ANDREA: Do you do any post-production work? Do you use Photoshop or anything digital in your work? ANN: A lot. About a decade ago, I started working with a very tiny surveillance camera that also had a shallow focus, very much like the pectin membrane material. I attached this little camera to my fingers and would look at something that was fixed, like a photograph, and animate it by the motion of my hand, and it would become dimensional. Then I ANN: I can’t exactly say the opening dates, but it’s about a two and a half, three-year project. I’m in the middle of it right now. ANDREA: What was your thought process on that? ANN: The project continues the work I’ve done with texts that emerge from fields of materials. When I made the proposal for Cortlandt Station, I was thinking about an aspirational language; about how the Ann Hamilton. Oneeveryone - Cynthia, 2015. Courtesy Ann Hamilton Studio and Carl Solway Gallery. 11