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lying there. And then the next day is the
actual burial.
IE: Your voice undergoes an interesting
transformation on this record. You almost
sound like a wounded animal, tracked to
its den, and shot at until it’s finally ready
to come out snarling.
LW: Wow! That’s awesome! I love that.
You’re familiar with Jesse Malin, right? We
were in New York City, helping him do
shows for his album, and we had the mas-
ters for my new album. So Jesse helped us
put together a listening party at one of the
bars he owns, Niagara, and we had it
turned up really loud. And Jesse turned to
me and goes, “Your album is like a cross
between Iggy Pop and Howlin’ Wolf.” And
I was like, “Oh, my God — I love you!”
Because that’s exactly how I wanted it to
be, exactly what I wanted. And Jesse comes
from that whole punk background, so I
thought, “Wow! I’ve got the stamp of
approval!”
IE: But you also say “Don’t Give Up.”
LW: I’m an optimist at the end of the day.
It’s like those old songs again — “We Shall
Overcome” and all that. We can’t let the
bastards get us down. But there are so
many movies about what we’re going
through, like **Outbreak with Dustin
Hoffman. And I keep using the phrase
‘Orwellian,’ but it’s all coming true. We’re
living the nightmare. It’s like Mother Earth
saying, “Okay, you guys have fucked up
long enough. I’m gonna put you in deten-
tion, and you’re not coming out of it for a
while. I’m gonna send the plague, and
you’re gonna be quarantined while you sit
there and ponder all the things you’ve
done.” But the one thing about this is, it is
kind of like a pestilence. Like roaches —
they don’t discriminate, no matter how
much money you have or who you are.
Right now, it’s everybody. So there’s gotta
be something good that comes out of all
this.
IE: So you have been writing your Quinn-
Martin epilog (sic)?
LW: Yeah. Stuff is staying inside my brain,
but I’m still kind of in a state of denial. I
keep thinking, “Okay, any day now…”
But, I keep vacillating between “This is
gonna be over in a few days” to “What if
this lasts the rest of the year?” And of
course, I’m reading stuff online and look-
ing up all this relevant information. So I’m
getting bombarded right now. I need to
kind of turn it off, but it’s hard to do
because I subscribe to all these things like
The Atlantic, The Huffington Post, The New
York Times, and all this stuff.
IE: And social media isn’t helping much,
right?
LW: I refuse to have a conversation with
anyone who’s not well-informed these
days. And people say, “Oh, we can agree to
disagree.” No. Not this time. Forget about
that, that’s bullshit, I’m not having a con-
versation with an idiot. Just get out of my
life, and I never want to see you or speak to
you ever again. So you’d better decide
what side you’re on. It’s gotten to that
point right now.
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