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FEATURE Drawing First Blood or she needs to change treatment. That’s a subtle point that is often lost in these discus- sions. I find value in those endpoints; they are prognostic endpoints more than anything else and are laudable goals. However, I think sometimes people – both patients and doc- tors – get too hung up on achieving a certain number, without realizing what that number may or may not mean. Also, many trials demonstrating the benefit of achieving MRD negativity did so in the context of limited or no maintenance; we may get different results if we extrapolate those results to patients to whom we give risk-adapted maintenance therapy or continuous maintenance therapy. Dr. Richardson: Keep in mind, though – these endpoints are valid tools for regulatory ap- proval, which is a different issue. The important question is whether achieving these endpoints should change our clinical practice. I don’t think we can answer that yet. We don’t know enough about exactly what these endpoints mean clinically in terms of treatment choices. But are they helpful from a regulatory point of view? Yes, I believe they are. Dr. Lonial: The randomized, phase III CASTOR and POLLUX trials, which served as the basis for the approval of daratumumab, demon- strated early improvement in progression- free survival (PFS) with the combinations of daratumumab and either lenalidomide and dexamethasone or bortezomib and dexametha- sone. 3,4 The data also suggested improvement in overall survival (OS), although those have not yet been reported as clearly statistically significantly different. In both trials, more patients in the daratumumab-treated groups achieved MRD- negativity than in the comparator arms. In POLLUX, 22.4 percent of daratumumab-treated patients met criteria for MRD-negativity, at a threshold of 10 -5 , compared with 4.6 percent in the control group (p<0.001). In CASTOR, 18.3 percent, 10.4 percent, and 4.4 percent of daratumumab-treated patients achieved MRD- negativity at thresholds of 10 -4 , 10 -5 , and 10 -6 , respectively. What is often lost when people look at these data, though, is the difference in the methods for assessing MRD. Those are three different benchmarks for MRD-negativity, and not all levels of negativity are the same. When thinking about MRD as a pathway to cure or to achieving the longest-possible PFS and OS, we want to use the most stringent response (10 -6 ) as an important endpoint. People need to read these data critically and understand that every MRD – and every study – is not the same. Dr. Richardson: I completely agree with Dr. Lonial, and I would add the following: What’s so interesting in these trials is that, in com- parisons of MRD-negativity rates between the control groups and the triplet groups, the outcomes for both groups correlated with each other, which is an important validation. Having said that, what’s even more clinically interesting to me is that patients who are MRD-positive, regardless of duration, did better with the trip- let regimen than the two-drug regimen. You 126 ASH Clinical News may think, “Well, that’s obvious.” But, I would argue that this information gives us clues for combining various therapeutic modalities. For example, we may not need as much for MRD- negative patients, but we absolutely need more treatment for MRD-positive patients. Newer treatments have offered us the op- portunity to add more therapy when we need to, without an adverse effect on quality of life. They offer novel, entirely non–cross-resistant mechanisms of action – be they antibodies, im- munomodulators, proteasome inhibitors, other small molecules, or a part of this whole emerging platform of cellular therapy or immune therapies. But it is remarkably plastic, even within one pa- tient over time. For clinicians making treatment- sequencing decisions, that’s an important factor to understand because it means we have to be particularly cautious to avoid a “one-size-fits- all” treatment model. Conversely, the best evidence we have for length of treatment is that it should continue until disease progression and/or treatment intol- erance. However, monitoring MRD, for example, may provide us with the opportunity to offer patients a “drug holiday” at certain times. Per- sonally, I am very cautious about that because, at the end of the day, the disease may recur. Dr. Lonial: That seems to be where our cur- “[Myeloma] is remarkably plastic, even within one patient over time. ... We have to be particularly cautious to avoid a ‘one-size-fits-all’ treatment model.” —PAUL RICHARDSON, MD Dr. Lonial: Yes, the availability of new drugs and new targets has given us the opportunity to talk about cure versus control in a much different way than we did before. In plasma-cell disorders, we have settled on a paradigm of continuous maintenance. The new tools we have, though, mean that it may be time for us to think about how we can give treatment for a defined period of time. We need to ask ourselves whether we are potential- ly increasing the cure fraction, as opposed to just keeping people on continuous therapy and adding one drug, two drugs, and three drugs to their maintenance approach. Perhaps there is a growing subset of patients in whom we have either eliminated disease or caused remission long enough that PFS and OS will be outstanding. Dr. Richardson: I agree with that, but our chal- lenge is to just remain cognizant of the fact that maintenance is a standard of care. Every patient probably will have an absolute need for some form of continuous therapy to achieve the goals that we have discussed. We may need a backbone of specific drugs, to which we can rationally add additional agents according to specific patient needs, to achieve those goals. In other words, we will be able to tailor therapy to optimize outcome. Myeloma is a complex disease. It’s not one disease; it varies enormously between patients. rent level of evidence stands, but I do think we need to challenge ourselves to think beyond that model. I have patients, as I’m sure you do, who have been on continuous maintenance for seven, eight, or nine years. There does come a point when the patient and the clinician start to ask, “Are we really doing any good here? Have we already achieved the maximum benefit that we’re going to get?” And we don’t know the answer to that. Yes, the present paradigm is treatment until progression. The newly available tools and drugs haven’t been fully incorporated into the treatment model, though, so maybe we can start to think about how to define when a patient can stop therapy. Ultimately, that is a sustainable model, while the continuous-treatment model involving one-, two-, three-, or four-drug regi- mens until progression becomes unsustainable over time. Dr. Richardson: Another factor to be aware of – and it is a point that is relevant to all discussions about treatment sequencing – is that, at the end of the day, we have to face the reality of costs. There’s an important distinction between value of therapy and actual price, so we also need to treat patients in a financially respon- sible fashion. Going forward, we need to consider costs, because we must be able to pro- vide our patients with sustainable therapeutic approaches. What I fear is a model where clini- cians are constrained, not by clinical evidence and good science, but by overzealous regula- tory authorities worried about price alone. As members of our academic and research community, it behooves us to study real-world combinations and strategies to provide cost- effective options, because they increasingly matter. We can, and need to, conduct elegant studies with the best-available agents, but we also must evaluate the most rational and least financially toxic combinations. By doing so, such real-world clinical research can be of particular value to our community colleagues and our patients. ● REFERENCES 1. Holstein SA, Suman VJ, McCarthy P. Update on the role of lenalidomide in patients with multiple myeloma. Ther Adv Hematol. 2018;9:175-90. 2. Martinez-Lopez J, Blade J, Mateos MV, et al. Long-term prognostic significance of response in multiple myeloma after stem cell transplantation. Blood. 2011;118:529-34. 3. Dimopoulos MA, Oriol A, Nahi H, et al. Daratumumab, lenalidomide, and dexamethasone for multiple myeloma. N Engl J Med. 2016;375:1319-31. 4. Palumbo A, Chanan-Khan A, Weisel K, et al. 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