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even a little. And if someone brings you some talk that he has
heard about you, that person becomes close and dear to you.
Questioner: What can we say about the state of the
person who brings such information to us?
Dadashri: You should not let him touch (affect) You at
all.
Questioner: No, I do not mean that. Just as we say the
one who listens secretly has kapat in him, what do we call the
person who brings us such talks?
Dadashri: The messenger is interested in creating a rift
between the two parties. He is deeply rooted in the pleasure this
creates for him.
Questioner: That verily is his kapat (deceit) too, is it
not?
Dadashri: Yes, it is all kapat too! He is searching for a
certain pleasure in it. He has some kind of interest in it.
Questioner: Is there kapat involved where one is
looking for pleasure?
Dadashri: Then what else would be there? One just has
to ‘smell’ it! All he needs is to get a whiff of it. He will say to
himself, ‘I have to tell him, I have to tell him about the other
person.’ Such is this whiff!
Questioner: What is the vision (drashti) of the one who
is walking on the path of liberation (moksha-marg)? What is his
constant understanding?
Dadashri: You will not achieve anything by me telling you
all that. One has to know about one’s own deceitful intent
(kapat bhaav) and however much he becomes aware of his
deceitfulness; that much will leave. Otherwise a great deal still
remains within him and that is what he is not aware of. What is
kapat bhaav (deceitful intent)? If the owner were aware of its