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helpless? There is no helplessness where there is the Self. Why
not become laghutam instead?
Consequences of guruta
Do you have a desire to be laghutam?
Questioner: Yes.
Dadashri: That is very good.
Questioner: They say, ‘Prabhuta se prabhu door’
meaning God distances himself from the one who wants to
become God.
Dadashri: Yes and that is why I have said that I remain
liberated and laghutam. Still I enjoy the grandeur of a gurutam
state. My appearance and conduct is laghutam. For the world
I am the smallest; I am laghutam and for those who want to
attain Gnan, I am the greatest, I am gurutam. So, if you want
liberation, I am gurutam and there is no one higher than me.
And if you want to be great in the worldly life, then I am
laghutam. Now if people want liberation and if I do not say I
am gurutam, then nothing will be achieved. And what do
people want to be in this world?
Questioner: They want to be gurutam.
Dadashri: Where did you see that?
Questioner: I have seen it in me.
Dadashri: But that is not the case with people outside, is
it? Are there any gurutam people out there?
Questioner: Yes.
Dadashri: Is that so? Are they all not in gurutam? They
all believe ‘this, the relative self, is the atma and we have to
make it gurutam.’ Everyone has a desire to be gurutam.
Everyone wants gurutam. They get the slightest of respect and
they are happy and their gurutam increases. They want