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no separation like this here. Amongst fifty thousand people
words such as ‘you’ and ‘I’, have never been used by ‘us’.
Questioner: But do we not see differences of ‘you’ and
‘I’ elsewhere in other religious gatherings?
Dadashri: That is all there is! What else can there be? As
long as there exist the differences of ‘you’ and ‘I’, there is the
presence of jivaatma (mortal state, non-Self-realized state).
When such differences go away one becomes parmatma – the
absolute Self. Parmatma, what else can there be? But if one
does not wish to become parmatma, he will keep the
differences of ‘you’ and ‘I’.
Even when a person may have had suspicion about ‘us’
through the wrong intellect, ‘we’ have never made the distinction
of ‘you’ and ‘I’. Everywhere in the world, if this were the case,
they will reprimand you to no end; ‘You are worthless!’ ‘You
are like this!’ ‘You are like that!’ It is like this everywhere,
except here. This path is a path of exception in every way.
Everywhere else a distinction between ‘you’ and ‘I’ are made.
Questioner: Whenever we become suspicious about
you, you are aware of that fact and yet why do you not keep
any separation (bheda) between us?
Dadashri: ‘We’ have the knowledge of: ‘This is a radish
and it has a certain distinct odor’ or ‘this is an onion and it has
a specific odor’. Don’t ‘we’ understand that? So then is it not
wrong to scold these ‘vegetables’ when they smell? An onion is
an onion, what is there to scold about it? A radish smells as it
is in its nature. If there is an onion over there, you will be able
to smell it sitting here; that is the nature of the onion. ‘We’ will
know such is its nature (swabhav).
If ‘we’ were to do anything wrong, then he (the one who
has suspicions about Dada) will no longer have our grace and
that will hurt him. ‘We’ will harm the very person ‘we’ have set