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problems. It brings on udvega. It brings udvega from vega
(motion).
The ‘one’ who experiences udvega, is not
the Self
Questioner: But even now residual feelings of udvega
continue to arise within us, does it not?
Dadashri: Udvega and vega will both occur but they
are occurring to ‘Chandulal’. They are not occurring to You, the
pure Self. ‘You’ will know that the udvega is occurring in
‘Chandulal’. If Chandulal has done transaction of udvega, then
‘Chandulal’ will experience it, otherwise he will have aavega or
vega. You (the real Self) can know all that.
Questioner: But we live trapped in udvega, do we not?
Dadashri: No it is not like that. Do you believe that the
one who is trapped in udvega is ‘Chandulal’ or You?
Questioner: But ‘Chandulal’ remains trapped does he
not?
Dadashri: He may be trapped but what does that have
to do with You? Whatever has to discharge is going to
discharge, there is no other way. You do not have any say in it.
‘You’ should not feel that You are trapped, because the pure
Soul is the pure Soul. Shuddhatma is Shuddhatma. Nothing can
affect it and that is Shuddhatma.
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