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Aptavani-8
Questioner: That is true, but did you not say that the
energy of matter (jada shakti) has bound it?
Dadashri: What it means is that the Atma’s energy
(shakti) has become covered, and that energy has become mixed
with the energy of matter (jada shakti); therefore, the energy of
matter (jada shakti) has taken over. Therefore even if you
wanted to be free you could not. You can only escape from it,
if you go to a Gnani. Otherwise you could never be free, even
after a hundred thousand avatar (lifetimes). Instead you would
be better off, if you were bound by iron chains; at least you
could break the chain and free yourself. Alas, this chain will
never break! And just as one becomes influenced by alcohol;
here a person is influenced by the ego (ahamkar). That is how
the wagon rolls.
Questioner: Even though the influence (amal) is there,
does the Atma still not remain pure (shuddha)?
Dadashri: The Atma is completely detached and indifferent
(udaseen). As long as you exist in the ego (ahamkar) the Atma
is detached (udaseen). The Atma has no attachment (raag) in
this, nor does it have any abhorrence (dwesh) in this. It says,
‘Come to me, when it suits you. When you have cleared all your
karmic accounts (hisaab), and you have done everything you
like, you can come to me,’ did you understand that?
Questioner: What I was trying to say is that if the Atma
was pure, then no one can make something that is pure (shuddha),
impure. So how did it become impure?
Dadashri: It has never become impure (ashuddha). It is
just that its one energy – the energy of vision (darshan shakti)
– has been covered up. Just like the sheth (businessman) himself
is pure (shuddha), but once he drank the alcohol, one of the
energies became covered up, which is why he speaks
nonsensically. So in the same way this, ‘I am Chandubhai’ is
speaking. People called you Chandubhai and you believed it, so