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is not’. That is when they say, “I want to know ‘what is not’.”
So I tell them to just get rid of the ‘my’. ‘My hands’: that you
are not. You are not, ‘my head’; you are not in ‘my eyes’, keep
taking all that away. My mind, my egoism, my speech; take all
that away. Then you could say, ‘I will attain my salvation; it
would immediately come and stand before me.’ So do it, but
how can the poor man take all this out? First his paap (demerit
karma; sins) must be completely destroyed.
What is this whole world like? If you do it this way, you
get stuck, and if you do it this way, you get stuck. That is why
everything is relative and dependent (sapeksha); when one
comes, he still has another expectation waiting. Therefore, after
‘we’ destroy your demerit karma (paap), you will understand
thoroughly, ‘What is’ and ‘What is not’. Besides, I have told one
foreign scientist about, ‘What is not’.
When we went to Lonawala, they had come there. And
they said, ‘Give us something.’ So I told them, “Separate I and
My with the Gnani’s separator.” I told him, that I was not
going to give him my separator, but I was going to show him
the way to do the separation internally. And that way, you can
subtract the ‘mine’, subtract this, and subtract that. But how
can he attain that now? Without destroying his demerit karma
(paap), how was he going to attain that? It is those demerit
karmas that put layers of coverings (avaran) over this
Knowledge (Gnan). That is why the demerit karmas have to
be destroyed first. It is because of those demerit karmas that
you are not able to remember. Why does the awareness of
Shuddhatma constantly remain in this person? It is because
the paap have been destroyed, that the awareness of
Shuddhatma is constantly there.
Questioner: So does that subtle covering have to be
removed?
Dadashri: ‘We’ will remove that for you.