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attains Atmagnan (Knowledge of the Self), which is the karan
Keval Gnan (causal absolute Knowledge). Self-realization
(Atmagnan) does not just happen to anyone! At this present
time, no one has Atmagnan. If one did have Atmagnan, his
speech would not be like it is, his conduct would not be like this,
he would have no overt insistence (aagraha) whatsoever!
The Self-realized being (Atmagnani) has no overt insistence
(aagraha); he is without insistence (niragrahi). Moreover, where
there is Self-realization (Atmagnan), there is no egoism
(ahamkar); there is no insistence (aagraha). Besides, where
there is egoism (ahamkar), and where there is insistence
(aagraha) there; they do not know anything. Granted, they do
know scriptural knowledge (shastra gnan). If your egoism
(ahamkar) does not go away, by whichever scripture it may be,
then the knowledge in the scripture (shastra) has not been useful
to you.
Questioner: So many who have had the vision of the
Atma, say that it is shuddha-buddha.
Dadashri: Yes, they do say pure and enlightened
(shuddha-buddha)! Now if the Atma is pure (shuddha) and
enlightened (buddha), then why do you go to temples? And
why do you read these scriptures? Is this not worth
understanding? That is why over there, the talks are relative
and dependent. From certain level of expectation, it is pure.
Yes, as long as you are Chandubhai, and on top of that, you
are ignorant of the Self (agnani), you cannot call the Atma
pure! Yes. If your ignorance of the Self (agnan) goes away,
the Atma is certainly pure (shuddha)! Inside, it has always
been pure; it has never become impure (ashuddha)! But if you
keep saying, ‘It is pure (shuddha), it is enlightened (buddha)’
for no reason, you will get nowhere. You should be able to
experience that purity. And if you want to say it, you can say,
‘In relation to the body, I am impure (ashuddha), but in relation
to the Self (Atma), I am pure (shuddha)’. That is because the