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then will the conviction (pratiti) set in; otherwise even the
conviction is not established.
Questioner: We experience thoughts and feelings, but
should the experience of the Self (Atmanubhav) not be a state
that surpasses all these other experiences?
Dadashri: This is a state that surpasses all other
experiences. Just as this experience (anubhav) happens on this
side, the other experience happens on the other side. Therefore,
not even a fraction of this; is in that, and not even a fraction of
that, is in this. The experience of the Atma is always different.
It is completely separate, and without any change. Nevertheless,
the experience (anubhav) must come first. The only reason this
is said, is so that one finds a cause to establish the conviction
(pratiti), and he is convinced that there is such a thing as the
Atma, and that there is something different other than this.
Otherwise, he will not even believe its existence (astitva). Hence,
the experience has to have occurred!
That Is When the Facts Are Understood
You will be in agreement (ged) with whatever I am trying
to tell you, meaning you will come to understand it fully (ged
besi). It will reach you “to the point”. That is what I consider
as being able to grasp. Do people not say, ‘I still do not get
it’?
Therefore, the person will understand exactly what I am
trying to explain, and that is called, ged bethi (fits; sits well;
agrees). Since my viewpoint is different and his viewpoint is
different, it takes longer to digest! So it takes time to grasp it!
But it will only work, if you can grasp it.
Questioner: That is why you are using the words; the
message should reach.
Dadashri: Yes. The message should reach you. That is
why we say, ‘he is not getting the message’! When his level