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Questioner: It would, that is my livelihood there.
Dadashri: Now where did the zero (shunya) go then?
Nevertheless, it is a good thing that you can stay calm in this way;
it is not a bad thing. But all that, cannot be the path of shunya.
For shunya, you have to attain the Atma; you have to know the
Atma. After you know the Atma; then comes the state of shunya.
The Atma Is Way Beyond the Observer of
Thoughts
Questioner: Then what is the best way to experience the
Atma?
Dadashri: Do you have any other means (sadhan) to do
that? You are trying to become the object to be attained (sadhya),
but is there another way (sadhan) according to you?
Questioner: We do atma observing (atma-nirikshan)
for half an hour.
Dadashri: Are you doing the observing, after you have
known the Atma, or are you doing it without knowing it first?
Questioner: After we have known the Atma, then what
else is left?
Dadashri: Then whose observation of the Atma are you
doing?
Questioner: Of whatever thoughts that arise.
Dadashri: Goodness, of thoughts! Thoughts arise from
the mind, and the mind itself is non-living (jada). It is “completely
physical”. So it is the mind’s thoughts that you are studying.
That, which is doing the study, is egoism. And beyond