Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: They all do that on their own anyway! That is
how all those that composed Vedanta (Hindu scripture) arrived
at it. Ultimately, after creating the four Vedas, they said, ‘This is
not that. This is not that. This is not that.’ You cannot find the
Atma, through the Vedas.
Questioner: If the Atma cannot be found, then what is
it like?
Dadashri: It cannot be found, and it cannot be described.
Even talking about it is a great liability. These four Vedas
themselves have said no to that! It cannot be described though
speech and it is not possible to express it.
Questioner: So then can one experience the Atma?
Dadashri: What do you have the experience of right
now?
Questioner: Right now I am trying to attain a state of
zero, which is devoid of thought (shunyavastha).
Dadashri: Shunya meaning?
Questioner: When you do not have desires and contrary
thoughts (sankalp-vikalp), it is called shunya.
Dadashri: If there are two engines coming towards each
other at full speed, one from this direction and one from the
other direction, what would happen?
Questioner: There would be a huge accident.
Dadashri: They will collide in such a way, that even the
engines will end up standing upright. When these people do
meditation (dhyan) of the Atma, and whatever else they continue
to do, it is just like a state that is devoid of thought
(shunyavastha). Without even understanding what the state of
zero (shunyavastha) means, they have embarked on attaining
the state of zero (shunya). Zeroes without ones, are all useless.