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would he say? He will say, ‘Bring me toothpaste, bring me
water, I need this and that.’ And that would create a problem.
Instead, you should just understand the worldly interaction
(vyavahar).
So in the worldly interaction you can certainly call it wheat,
but there will also be grit in it. Similarly, in vyavahar (the worldly
interaction) when they say, ‘The Atma is everywhere’, they have
said it in this context. There is wheat, and there is grit with it. In
the same way, there is the Atma (the Self), and with it, there is
anatma (non-Self). That there is Atma everywhere, is really not
true. But if you had to understand that, then things would fall into
place.
That is why people have understood this wrongly, by
thinking that all is Atma, so that even in the pole there is Atma,
that there is Atma even in the wall. Their understanding is all
wrong. And therefore, whether it is wheat or grit, it does not
matter. It is all just wheat they say, and we do not say no to it.
Because for those merchants (businessmen), it is all only wheat.
But for the one who eats it, is it not both wheat and grit together?
What is it to the businessmen?
Questioner: It is just wheat.
Dadashri: Yes, for all the businessmen there are, this is
what it is. But even the one who eats it (consumer) needs to
understand! Otherwise, if God is everywhere, then when are
they going to find the real God?
Therefore, people have only understood that the Atma is
in everything. There is no meaning in that! ‘It is all wheat’ is
something a businessman would say. Would any merchant ever
tell you, ‘There are both, wheat and grit’? Then we would just
say, ‘Remove the grit.’ But the merchant will maintain that, ‘It is
all wheat.’ But for the one who wants to eat it, it is both wheat
and grit.