Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: Penance? To know this? No. Penance cannot
eliminate the separation. Even that cannot do it.
Questioner: Are there any subtle rituals for destroying
this separation? Can one know it through the subtle body?
Dadashri: The Gnani Purush himself can do all the things
for further progress. For the Gnani Purush, the living being-
Atma (jiva-Shiva) separation is already gone. And if he wants
to know even more than that, he can know everything through
other subtle means. Someone who practices penance (tapa)
however, cannot know anything.
Questioner: But is it possible to remove the separation
between embodied soul and Atma (jiva-Shiva) through the
subtle body?
Dadashri: No. One removes it, but it is only according to
one’s belief. The “psychological” will not do! It has to be
methodically done through Gnan (Knowledge), and it has to be
the proper way. But the path is the same, whether you call it
Vedanta, Jainism or anything else. It is only one kind of knowledge.
Questioner: So the embodies soul and Atma (jiva-Shiva)
separation can only be broken in the human form?
Dadashri: This cannot happen in any other life-form, other
than the human life-form.
Questioner: In the celestial realm (deva gati)?
Dadashri: No. Even there, nothing can happen. It is not
possible in the celestial realm. The most that those in the celestial
realm do, is while living there, if they wish to do a visit to do
darshan, they can come here. So those in the celestial realm
(deva gati) can come here to do darshan.
Questioner: Can anyone who is in a videhi (one who
has attained the Self despite having a physical body) state, break
the separation of living being and Atma (jiva-Shiva)?