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karmas one has created, will remain with the embodied soul
(jivatma).
All one has to do, is realize, ‘Who am I?’ That is all you
have to know. You are jiva (embodied soul) and you are living;
therefore you will die. And if you are Atma, you are immortal.
Living is a state (avastha), and whatever lives and dies, is called
a living being (jiva). The living being is in the state (avastha) of
worldly life (sansar). Bad deeds (paap) and good deeds (punya),
are all included in it, as well as all the things related to the body
(paudgalik), and together with karma; that is called jiva.
Questioner: So what would you call the mind (mun)?
Dadashri: The mind is where thoughts occur. That is
called the mind. The mind-intellect-chit-ego (mun-buddhi-chit-
ahamkar), comprise the internal functioning mechanism
(antahkaran) in every human being. And the jiva is the head
(upari) of all these. The self is verily the jiva, and the Atma is
something different. The Atma is different from the embodied
soul (jiva). The jiva is the one that lives and dies. The Atma
does not die. The Atma is immortal, and it is indeed your very
own form (swaroop)!
Questioner: So can you say that the embodied soul (jiva)
is the non-Self complex (pudgal)?
Dadashri: Yes, you can certainly say that the jiva is the
non-Self complex. But to us, it appears to be living. It moves,
it talks, and it does everything. But in fact it is pudgal. The jiva
is just a statue that has come alive!
The Separation Disappears When Illusion Leaves
Questioner: How can you call the living being (jiva), the
Absolute God (Parmeshwar)? The living being is a delusion of
one kind.
Dadashri: Through the intellect that differentiates (bhed