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(bhautik jagat). So there is no need for you to know the
material world. Where does the difference occur? You tell me.
Questioner: As living (jiva) and non-living (ajiva).
Dadashri: But the jiva itself is worldly (bhautik). Why
is it called an embodied soul (jivatma)? It is because, its vision
(drashti) is directed towards the material (bhautik) world, and
it only dwells in the material world, which is why it is called an
embodied soul (jivatma). It is immersed in, and basks in the
happiness and pleasures (sukh) of the material life; it is called an
embodied soul (jivatma). And it is that, which we call the material
world (bhautik jagat). Because as long as it is worldly (bhautik);
its dwelling will always be in the worldly realm. Do you
understand this? If you want separation, if you want to separate
them, I will do that for you. Nevertheless, this material world is
itself the embodied soul (jivatma). That from which it (jiva)
seeks temporary happiness, and from which it seeks relative
happiness, is just a material world. Where it seeks from is also
the material world (bhautik jagat), and the seeker itself is the
material world. If one understands this, his work will be done.
Questioner: Jiva comes within the body, Atma comes
within the body, and also the material world (bhautik jagat)
comes into the body; a mixture of all the three is in it.
Dadashri: It includes everything. The entire universe has
come into the body, nothing is left out.
Questioner: So how are we to understand them
separately? How can I separate them and then understand them?
Dadashri: To separate them, you have to become a
scientist. In this ring, there is a combination of gold, copper, and
two or three other metals, and as they have become mixed, how
would you separate them? Can any ordinary person separate
them? Only the person, who is skilled at it, can separate them.
Only an expert, who knows how to separate them, can do this.