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Aptavani-8
Veda is in the form of knowledge (gnan) and the Knower
(Vetta) is in the form of science (vignan). Gnan cannot procure
results on its own (kriyakari), and science produces results
(kriyakari).
Questioner: Even the Vedas were exhausted when it came
to describing the one who is in the form of science (vignan
swaroop; absolute knowledge form)!
Dadashri: Yes, they got tired! Because how is the Veda
able to understand the Knower (Vetta)? The Knower can
understand the Veda, but how could it be possible for the Veda
to understand the Knower? What does Vetta mean? The
Knower. He is the Knower-Seer (Gnata-Drashta). The word
Vetta itself seems really small in appearance, does it not?
From Whom Do We Attain the Atma?
You can ask everything here, you can ask about the four
Vedas (Hindu scripture) and you can also ask about the four
Anuyogas (of Jain literature). Here, you can ask anything about
Jainism, Vedanta or the Quran. That is because you can ask
someone who has gone beyond the Veda!
Questioner: How can one go higher than the Vedas?
Dadashri: When the Light of Knowledge (Gnan Prakash)
occurs, one can rise above the Vedas.
Questioner: So it is not something that is comprehended
through the intellect (buddhigamya)?
Dadashri: No. It is not something which is understood
through the intellect (buddhigamya). All the things that were
understood through the intellect are found in the Vedas. And to
go beyond intellectual understanding (buddhigamya): go to the
Gnani; who has absolutely no intellect (buddhi). Go to a Gnani
Purush, who is considered abuddha (state in which intellect is
not utilized; intellect free), then you can attain the Atma from