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can you blame the Vedas? Of course, I can explain things to
you, using examples and association (sangnya), but how much
of the sangnya would the Veda do? The Vedas will not give you
any answers to this. What the Vedas have not given, is the task
for the Gnani Purush!
What people consider as chetan (the Self; Atma), is really
all worldly; there is no spirituality in it. The Atma is the main
thing and that which you consider, Atma; all that is also worldly
(bhautik). There is not even a hair’s worth of Atma in it, only
that you mistakenly believe that. This is because the main Atma
is not mechanical. And you believe the mechanical atma to be
the main Atma. However, the mechanical atma is the worldly
atma.
Dadashri: Do all these people have chetan (the Self) or
are they without it?
Questioner: They have chetan.
Dadashri: How can you tell that they have chetan?
Through what characteristics?
Questioner: By the movements of the body! It enters the
body and it only makes it move.
Dadashri: Does it make it move? The body? The Atma
does not do any of that. That, which makes the body move, is
the mechanical atma. What you consider as Atma at the present
time; is really the mechanical atma. No one, except for the
Gnani, can know the real Atma. The real Atma lies on the
other side of the mechanical atma, and it is that Atma which
stays in this body. Besides, the real Atma is not in a position to
carry out any kind of movement (halan-chalan); it is not capable
of doing any kind of activity (kriya).
When a part of a lizard’s tail is cut off, it still carries on
moving. Does the tail have any soul (jiva) in it? Then why does
it thrash around?