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treatment. I cured him this way, and I did that...’ Then would
God not move away from there?
Therefore, the whole problem is to do with knowledge
arising from association with worldly people (loksangnya).
People have learned from what they saw, and we learned from
what people learned. With a worldly view (loksangnya) you
can never go to final liberation (moksha). Do you understand
loksangnya? If you follow the ways of others’ beliefs, about
where happiness (sukh) lies, you will never attain final liberation.
Only if one follows the Gnani’s sangnya (association), will he
find a solution.
Questioner: But the moment you are born, all you find
is worldly influence (loksangnya) and nothing else.
Dadashri: Yes, but what can you do? Since you are living
with others, it has to be that way.
Otherwise if a person is natural and spontaneous (sahajik),
he will go straight to moksha. Just look at how natural (sahajik)
animals are. They have no anger-pride-deceit-greed (krodh-
maan-maya-lobh). Even when an animal butts you with its head,
it has no anger (krodh); it is natural and spontaneous (sahajik).
And when it devours its food quickly, it has no avarice (lobh),
because that is natural to them.
Moksha Is Certain: the Time for Moksha Is Not
Questioner: So are we to understand, that for every
Atma, the time to go to its final liberation has been decided;
whereas for some it is not?
Dadashri: Each Atma is going to go to its final liberation
(moksha); that much is true. But its time to go to final liberation
is not decided. That is dependent upon what one does in human
birth. It depends upon whether as a human being, he creates
entanglements, reduces entanglements or whether he stops them
altogether.