Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: The Atma itself is a state of liberation (moksha
swaroop), but it comes under pressure of the other elements. If
it is released from those elements, it can attain liberation
(moksha). It is itself the state of liberation (moksha swaroop).
But through ignorance (agnan), one continues to believe, ‘I am
this, I am this,’ and with that, one continues to become trapped
in the wrong belief! And through Gnan (knowledge of the Self),
one is freed.
The Integrity of Arrangement of the Worldly
Life Forms
Questioner: Do new souls keep coming into the world
or do their numbers stay the same as they are in the world right
now?
Dadashri: Are you asking me, that because there is an
increase in the human population, where the new ones have
come from?
Questioner: No, not that. As the first ara (era of time
cycle), the second ara, the third ara all occur, do they each
have the same number of souls as there are right now in the
current era, or has there been an increase or a decrease in
them?
Dadashri: There is no increase or decrease of a single
soul. However many that, attain liberation from here; that many
souls come here from other places, into sansar vyavahar (worldly
interaction). Vyavahar means that those living entities (jivas)
that have an identification (name and form), have entered the
worldly life. You would say that this rosebush has entered
interaction in the worldly life (vyavahar). And anything that has
not yet acquired an identity has not entered worldly interaction
(vyavahar) at all. There are infinite living entities like that, which
have not come into worldly interaction (vyavahar), so do not
even bother to count them. As many that go to moksha from
here, that many, from other places come here. So the number of