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are holding on to!’ But is it so easy to let go? These are all
scientific circumstantial evidences.
Questioner: But it seems as though the Atma is stuck to
the pudgal. It happens because the Atma becomes involved
(tanmayakar) with the non-Self complex (pudgal).
Dadashri: That is mandatory for the soul.
Questioner: Why is it mandatory for the soul? Who made
it mandatory?
Dadashri: The way it is, is that the Atma (Soul) is
chaitanya (has attribute of knowledge and vision) and the pudgal
is jada (matter), so when you put the two together, vishesh
bhaav (meaning ego, ‘I am Chandubhai’) arises. No one is
actually doing anything, but because the two come together, the
extra intent (vishesh bhaav) arises, and because of the vishesh
bhaav, worldly life (sansar) is created. But as the soul comes
into its real form and realizes, ‘Who am I?’; it is released, and
that is also when the body (pudgal) leaves!
Questioner: How did the two get so close to one another?
Dadashri: That indeed is this evidence! All this comes
together upon entering worldly interaction (vyavahar). Here
worldly interaction (vyavahar) is full of circumstances (saiyogo),
and we have to go where there are no circumstances, to the
Siddha pad (state of Absolute Liberation). And for that, you
find help from scriptures or the Gnani Purush, so you realize
your own form (swaroop; the Self), and from that po