Aptavani-5
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this experience the experience of the mind or is it a true
experience?
Dadashri: It is not light (prakash) at all. It is just the
imagination. People have believed all such imaginations to be the
truth (satya).
When I was 17-18 years old I had conducted a little
experiment by pressing one of my eyes. I saw a flash of light and
saw light within. I wondered what it was that came and left.
Later I realized that it was the light that had left the eye.
Anything that is worldly (the non-Self) is never going to
become the Self and the Self is never going to become the non-
Self. Both are distinct and different things.
Questioner: What is nirguna?
Dadashri: Nirguna is the state in which there is no
attribute of the prakruti (the non-Self complex). And saguna
means the One who is an embodiment of the manifest absolute
Self (the Parmatma); such a One is called Saguna Parmatma.
Questioner: What is the path to moksha?
Dadashri: Do you feel that you are bound? The one who
feels imprisoned will seek freedom.
Questioner: Bondage is there for sure.
Dadashri: What do you consider as bondage?
Questioner: The current worldly life seems good at the
moment.
Dadashri: Does it not feel bitter to you?
Questioner: If I go deeper, it will feel bitter.
Dadashri: Despite so much bitterness, see what the
nature of all human beings is like. A man will cut a nice mango,
eat it, and go to sleep. Hey you! You were just fighting with