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should we believe to be right?
Dadashri: The religion of the Vitarag (absolutely free
from attachment and abhorrence). It is worth understanding the
Vitarag Lords and listening to what they have to say. The ‘right
talk’ (that which liberates) is not to be found in all these ‘shops’
of religion. Each shop has its own thing to say. Each is correct
from its viewpoint; no one is incorrect.
Questioner: The thinking behind all talks is that if the ‘I’
(as the ego) departs then one can attain something.
Dadashri: Go to a ‘shop’ that does not have an ‘owner’
and sit there. Where the ‘I-the ego’ has departed, where you do
not see any anger-pride-deceit-greed; sit there and listen to
them (Gnanis). Then you will attain moksha. Otherwise
moksha is not going to happen.
In a vyakhyan (religious discourse) the speaker is
separate and so is the listener. That is called a vyakhyan, not
aakhyan (meaning it is called lecture not discussion), and in the
path of moksha there is no discussion, so how can there be
lectures? It is beyond discourse and discussion.
Questioner: What is the meaning of aakhyan and
vyakhyan?
Dadashri: Talking to a handful of people is aakhyan and
talking to a crowd is called vyakhyan.
Beware when Circumstances Are Favorable
Questioner: I have not experienced love that is free from
attachment (raag); it seems that it is something that is beyond
the average imagination.
Dadashri: The karmic account with all the others is of
dwesh (abhorrence), and that has to be settled with equanimity.
They are called pratikud (unfavorable, unpleasant) kashays;
dwesh kashays, and those of raag (attachment) are considered