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Aptavani-5
‘Chandubhai’. They do not even know You, do they?
Questioner: When people say ‘my atma’, are they
talking about the pratishthit atma (relative self)?
Dadashri: No, the pratishthit atma comes into play
after one attains Self-realization (Gnan). When I give you
Gnan, a separation occurs between the Shuddhatma (the Self)
and the pratishthit atma (the relative self, non-Self complex).
You become the pure Self but what else remains? The
pratishthit atma remains. You had created it by instilling the
belief (doing pratishtha) of, ‘This is I…this is I’. That
pratishthit atma now remains in a form of a discharge. Even
those who do not have Self-realization will say things like, ‘My
Atma…my Atma is a sinner’; hey speak in this way and that
too is the pratishthit atma. However, they do not have the
separation between the Shuddha atma and the pratishthit
atma.
Questioner: After Gnan one realizes that one has
attained an unprecedented occurrence (apurva avasar). So can
you explain that occurrence in detail?
Dadashri: Apurva avasar means an occurrence that has
never occurred before in any past lives; such is this event. In this
event one attains the awareness of the Self. This is called
apurva avasar.
Questioner: Where are all these jivas (living beings)
born or created?
Dadashri: They were never born nor created. The Self
is indestructible; it is eternal. That which is eternal cannot be
created or born. That which is imperishable cannot be created
or born. All that You ‘see’ around You is an illusion (bhranti).
They are all circumstances and circumstances perish.
Circumstance of youth, circumstance of old age; they all perish
and the Self within remains the same.