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482 Aptavani-2 to do bhakti. Dadashri : Do you know the God whose bhakti you are doing at the moment? Where does he live? How tall is he? How many children does he have? Do you know if he performed the religious rite on the twelfth day after his mother’s death? Questioner : Without bhakti how am I going to realize God? Dadashri : You have been around for countless lives. In which life have you not done bhakti? For countless lives you have done indirect (paroksha) bhakti, without knowing God. You do not achieve anything by doing that. You keep doing pilgrimages. Do you think that God is waiting for you in these places of pilgrimage? The whole world is entangled in this web. All the saints and the likes of them are all entangled and such people wander from street to street, some wander in the jungles and some go to the Himalayas, but God (the manifested Soul) is only with the Gnani. There is nothing but interferences (dakho) in all other places. If you do not realize the Self from the Gnani in this human life form, then there is no alternative because elsewhere there is interference in all other places. Ask for whatever you want; here there are talks for the final destination; the ultimate liberation (moksha). Bhakti and Liberation Questioner : Does a person have to do bhakti in order to be liberated? Dadashri : Bhakti helps one acquire the tools for the path of liberation. Bhakti of the vitarag Lords is only for liberation. If the person who is giving satsang has any kind of need or desire, interacting with him will not give you liberation. Such a satsang may help to attain a life in the celestial world. For moksha, one needs the satsang with someone who has no desire